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Ren'Py Hermione Trainer [v0.2] [EdgeAI]

2.90 star(s) 8 Votes

Edgelord69420

Newbie
Jan 19, 2020
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Hermione Granger in the movies didn't really have bangs except for when she was vry young. She was also pretty rail thin and petite. Akabur leaned into a design with bangs and a much fuller figure for his depiction of Hermione. So when I saw the game, it was the physical appearance of Hermione rather than her presence in the title that made me immediately think of Akabur.

The character here doesn't look like an interpretation of Hermione Granger as described in the books or even of Emma Watson as some other games have attempted. The starting point here was clearly Akabur.
The Hermione art is placeholder for now. Im planning on redesigning her with a more petite figure and no bangs.
 

dav121

Well-Known Member
Oct 13, 2016
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Wow! 2x 5 Stars reviews on a v0.0.1 game using somebody else's idea, fuck me.
 

Ratnedalu

Active Member
Jan 11, 2018
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I was mostly memeing, tbh. Raceswaps are, at best, a lateral move. But everyone treats them like they're horrible character murders when most of the time they're just unnecessary. Hermione being black doesn't change anything significant about her character, Hermione isn't defined by being a white girl.

It's like people reacting with shock and disgust at the thought of someone leaving palm tree leaves on the sidewalk to prickle peoples' feet when there are guys out there putting fucking landmines in their front lawn.


That said, the original Witch Trainer had Cho Chang, who's canonically asian, and if you're genderswapping characters I think Seamus from the movies was black. You could also go the OC route if you wanted to.
TBH
English isn't my first language no, but these mistakes are present because for the first part I wrote everything in Visual studio with no proofreading. It was just meant to move the game forward so I could showcase more content. All the other writing I have done for the game after the fact has been written with a spellchecker and proofreading. The entire first part of the game is going to change a lot and ill put more effort in my writing and grammar for the content that I know will make it further along in the development.
Alrighty. I'm sorry for being so harsh with it, but tbh-- and I suppose this may be a compliment in some ways-- I honestly thought you were just a lazy native English speaker, because your grammar was great. It was just the little things that someone who's comfortable with their native language usually does. Also I haven't the foggiest what's up with the quoting system, soooo...
 

Ratnedalu

Active Member
Jan 11, 2018
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Oh please get out of here! You're being ridiculous. Hermione in this game isn't a copy of the one in Akabur's Witch Trainer (or in the Silver Mod) at all. You can tell they're different. Does Innocent Witches or With Hermione any ring bell to you? There are multiple games that features Hermione. Yeah there's definitely a copyright infringement here. :ROFLMAO: :FacePalm:

Hermione Trainer:


Witch Trainer:
NGL, I agree with Edge in that the hair is 100% pure Witch Trainer. I mean that's hyperbolic, but... I can really see that. Otherwise, I don't really see it. The story is a bigger ripoff of Witch Trainer than the AI is, tbh. (Not saying that as a negative, even.)
 

RogueKnightUK

Co-Writer: Retrieving The Past
Game Developer
Jul 10, 2018
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The people who come at you are a Studio or Publisher. It's rarely the author ever. Most like to see their work celebrated. The others are pure evil after money. Of course they might claim to represent the author. They don't. The author sold their soul. That network takes every pound of flesh. Far more gold and binding for the next a hundred years until a different publisher buys it or it merges.
As you seem to reference, it isn't the author because, at least with big successes, the studios have bought all the rights they can possibly think of. (i.e. the Author doesn't come after you because it is no longer theirs, legally, at all). Where it is from an actual book author, the only exception might of course be the rights to future books, because those were almost always already in the hands of the original publisher, at least for the next few books.

Where you are possibly mistaken is in the belief that it is just about greed. No, the problem is the way that copyrights and other intellectual property laws function. If you allow any breech of the rights, you will lose those rights, forever. The intellectual property can fall into 'common use', for example, meaning it can no longer be upheld as the property of any single party, and negating all royalty deals, since nobody anywhere has to pay anymore. Failure to robustly find, and aggressively defend your rights negates those rights. The studio or publisher, by law, MUST act to persecute any known transgression, or anything anyone who might want to take your rights away (to make their own use without paying you a dime) could feasibly argue in court represented abandonment of your rights, again, making it 'public domain'.

In the case of a studio or company having bought the rights from an author (usually with additional clauses about the author having to provide some additional support, as in appearances, statements, or promotions, etc.) they will not be entitled to any kind of refund or discount if, after purchasing those rights, they lose them through failure to act, or allowing the rights to become public domain.

It's called parody. It's protected under fair use.
Calling it a parody doesn't necessarily mean it will meet the legal definition of one. There's many, many cases of 'parody' works being challenged in court and the studio winning. Remember, the small amount of money an average 'parody maker' can make from a parody is absolutely nothing compared to all possible future revenue on the intellectual property rights (often millions, frequently billions), and so the studio or corporation can easily force up the legal costs to make it more expensive to even go to court than your parody was ever worth. Even if you win in court (which is a tiny proportion of cases), they'll immediately appeal, causing the whole costs to increase again, and they can keep this process going for years and years. As such it is extremely rare overall for a 'parody' defense to work out if there's even the least room for question.
 

Bruel

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Jan 1, 2018
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Calling it a parody doesn't necessarily mean it will meet the legal definition of one.
The court can only decide that it isn't a parody. That it is has already been pre established on the fact that it has been allowed to exist.
 

RogueKnightUK

Co-Writer: Retrieving The Past
Game Developer
Jul 10, 2018
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The court can only decide that it isn't a parody. That it is has already been pre established on the fact that it has been allowed to exist.
'Definition' is a word that literally comes from specifying the boundaries - i.e. that a court can say where something is not a parody is a legal definition of what is parody. They don't make such calls arbitrarily, but rather work from a huge amount of legal definitions, and prior case rulings too.

I'm not a lawyer, but I have worked with a huge amount of legal teams, and often in sectors that have particular legal requirements. Copyright is literally a daily matter for me, and has been for over 30 years at this point. Mostly under UK and US standards of IP law, but also some experience with EU and Asia too.

Who the fuck cares about the court, nobody's being sued?
You may not have noticed, what with it being all understated and hard to spot, but this site has a lot of devs, artists, and hopefuls, as well as those generally interested. Over 90% of the games we talk about are in development. As such, knowing what the legal requirements that all such devs, artists, and even users might want (or need) to know at some point is of general interest. After all, in this very discussion thread, about this specific game, someone erroneously stated that no matter what, this game would be considered a parody and an exception to copyright. That's direct advice to the dev of this game, and it was erroneous, at least as stated. Intellectual Property laws vary from place to place, but are always fairly complex, and never as simple as just something claiming to be a parody automatically being safe.

That doesn't mean the dev can't still take the risk. I certainly haven't said he must stop. I simply think it is better to take an informed risk, rather than a blind one. However, because of the way IP has to be defended, should the owners of the IP become aware of this game they absolutely have to act, and take all steps necessary, or risk losing all 'Harry Potter' related licenses, royalties, and rights.
 

Zeromus

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Oct 21, 2017
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The Hermione art is placeholder for now. Im planning on redesigning her with a more petite figure and no bangs.
Please don't do it. She looks good now.Also this is porn game so hourglass figure > petite figure. Many are copying Akabur's model of Hermione because of simple reason : People like Akabur's Hermione. She is cute and sexy at the same time. Don't try to fix something that works fine.
 

ArmoredRacoon

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Mar 19, 2018
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A real shame if this Hermione gets re-designed all because 3 people are crying that she looks ever so slightly similar to another Hermione in another game when it's the same character so obviously the character is going to look similar. If you're one of the people complaining, kindly ignore this thread and move on. She looks great here, and may I say even better than the one he apparently "copied" from. Dev please don't listen to the very loud minority. Please keep her figure too. Petite is meh. Keep her more curvy figure.
 

Edgelord69420

Newbie
Jan 19, 2020
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Please don't do it. She looks good now.Also this is porn game so hourglass figure > petite figure. Many are copying Akabur's model of Hermione because of simple reason : People like Akabur's Hermione. She is cute and sexy at the same time. Don't try to fix something that works fine.
Its honestly more about me not finding her to be as appealing. I want her to look a bit simpler, in line with Snape. The redesign wont happen anytime soon and I'm planning to create a poll for patrons with many different designs. It will include some variety in body shape. So it will be up to the people who support the development to decide how Hermione will look.
 

RogueKnightUK

Co-Writer: Retrieving The Past
Game Developer
Jul 10, 2018
924
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You missed my examples. What has happened with Game of Thrones. [...]
What someone who has negotiated, bought, and now OWNS the rights chooses to do with those rights they OWN is completely unrelated to a discussion of how NOT having the rights, or a license to use the rights of the owner without affecting their ownership, will usually pan out. In tha case of GoT, the author sold certain rights to the studio, allowing TV and Film adaptations, and of course allowing ownership of 'derivative works' incurred in exercising the TV and movie rights - i.e. They OWN the specific likeness of a character from their adaptation - anything that looks like their version of Jon Snow, or Daenerys, or their Dragons, etc. is their original (but derivative) work and copyright. However, the use of rights is a separate conversation, not directly related to this game and thread. Take it to private messages, or a general topic forum, if you have questions.
 
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